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Fwd: New messages from Wangui Mbatia
by Sara Zavaree 08 Jul '13

08 Jul '13

zK S. -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: New messages from Wangui Mbatia Datum: Wed, 29 May 2013 04:31:20 -0700 Von: Facebook <notification+ae4ey2qa(a)facebookmail.com> Antwort an: Message email reply <m+30wyfhiq000000dwryju00002l378s930yhobqbv0xustp3r2cw(a)reply.facebook.com> An: Sara Zavaree <sarazava(a)gmx.net> Facebook Hi, Sara. I am sitting with the SONU Chairman,... <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> Wangui Mbatia <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> 29 May 13:01 Hi, Sara. I am sitting with the SONU Chairman, it is the university of Nairobi with the largest student body in the county, the oldest and the most important. He would like to come for the visit personally, which is great. The university of Nairobi's 3rd year students will be free from September 9th. (Student leaders are usually drawn from the 3rd year, the degree programme is 4 years). We can have two students from UON, and two others from the Jomo Kenyatta University of Agriculture and Technology. Unless it is absolutely necessary, if we can only afford to fund 4, it is probably best to try for only 4. Then I can struggle with the embassy for their visas if we start early. The SONU Chairman's name is: Zack Kinuthia, tel: +254724729566 and his email is: kinzack.kinuthia(a)gmail.com You can initiate contact with him, I have... <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> Wangui Mbatia <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> 29 May 13:02 You can initiate contact with him, I have briefed him. He was only elected two months ago but he is an interesting young man. He can suggest the other students to involve (there is a forum through which students leaders meet and he would know some of the other student leaders) In the next week we may be able to initiate contact with HBF and the other sponsors. do you have a concept note for the visit so that our paperwork is in tandem with yours? and, as I do not check my fb everyday, when... <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> Wangui Mbatia <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> 29 May 13:04 and, as I do not check my fb everyday, when you get this message, please send me sms via phone so that I can follow up. Thanks, and cheers. Conversation history Wangui Mbatia <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> Wangui Mbatia <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> 14 May 21:44 good night. View conversation on Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/n/?messages%2F&action=read&tid=id.264786510300106&m…> · Reply to this email to message Wangui Mbatia. This message was sent to sarazava(a)gmx.net <mailto:sarazava@gmx.net>. If you don't want to receive these emails from Facebook in the future, please unsubscribe <https://www.facebook.com/o.php?k=AS1nBXylOo4_37eV&u=841112490&mid=80fe436G3…>. Facebook, Inc., Attention: Department 415, PO Box 10005, Palo Alto, CA 94303

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Mailadresse
by Hanna Poddig 18 Jun '13

18 Jun '13

Hallo, Zugang zur Mailadresse: Login: https://netzguerilla.net/mail/ Nutzer_in: info(a)actiwisdom.net Passwort: acti123wisdom Bei mir landet diese Mailadresse jetzt nicht mehr automatisch. Fühlt sich wer von euch verantwortlich, drauf zu achten dass alle Mails auch beantwortet werden etc oder soll ich das machen? Liebe Grüße, Hanna

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nächste Schritte
by sarazava＠gmx.net 31 May '13

31 May '13

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Kontakt Dorothea
by sarazava＠gmx.net 28 May '13

28 May '13

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Braunschweig
by Sara Zavaree 22 May '13

22 May '13

Hallo zusammen, steht Braunschweig jetzt? Können wir losbuchen? Leider werd ich Freitag erst gegen Mitternacht da sein können. Fänds schön an dem Abend Programmpunkte zu legen, an denen nicht alle dabei sein müssen. Vielleicht können wir uns (oder 1-2) vorher schon Gedanken um die TO machen. Sonntag bis 15/16 Uhr? Reicht das? Schöne Grüße, S.

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Versicherung
by sarazava＠gmx.net 17 May '13

17 May '13

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.... woher mehr geld
by banange＠immerda.ch 15 May '13

15 May '13

guten morgen ihr, mir ist aufgefallen, dass wir - wenn wir die kohle so oder so vorstrecken müssen - ja vielleicht doch einen EU-antrag stellen könnten. nächste antragsfrist: 1. Oktober. Projektzeitraum wäre Januar-Juni 2014. Lasst uns da morgen mal drüber reden. Na denn, bis morgen in aller frühen Frische Kathy

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Chat mit W.
by Sara Zavaree 14 May '13

14 May '13

Hi, wie immer, wenn ich mit Wangui kommuniziere ist die gesamte Motivation wieder da. Auch wenn chatten ganz schön doof ist... Also sie sagt, mit kleinem Budget gehts auch. Für die Studenten wäre es schon so aufregend genug hier hin zu kommen. Sie will ein gemischtes Team 3m/3f aus drei verschiedenen Universitäten zusammen stellen. Die trifft sich morgen mit einem der der Leader und schickt uns dann Kontaktadressen. Für das Fromale brauchen wir einen "affadavit". Das ist eine formale, von der deutschen Botschaft abgesegnete Einladung von Jugend in der Welt. Zusammen mit reservierten Tickets und Versicherung können dann die Visa beantragt werden. Versicherung haben wir in unserem Low Budget Plan leider noch nicht drin, aber ohne gehts auf keinen. Darüber müssten wir nochmal sprechen. Dorothea hatte angedeutet, dass das eventuell über Attac gehen könnte. Die Bedenken dazu wurden von mehreren ja bereits geäussert, aber vielleicht wäre das eine Option, die übernommen zu bekommen. Ausserdem hatte sie ein Reisebüro an der Hand (Barbara, Jannik erinnert ihr euch an den Namen?), das freundlicherweise die Tickets so lange reserviert lässt, bis die Visa-Geschichte geklärt ist. Der Transparenz halber hab ich euch mal den Chat reinkopiert. So, schönen Abend euch noch, Sara * Today * <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree> 20:44 *Sara Zavaree <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree>* ** Hi Wangui, are you online? * <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> 20:45 *Wangui Mbatia <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia>* ** yes. * <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree> 20:45 *Sara Zavaree <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree>* ** great hope ur fine * <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> 20:45 *Wangui Mbatia <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia>* ** I am at home and I am online. How are you? * <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree> 20:45 *Sara Zavaree <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree>* ** very good long day.. * <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> 20:46 *Wangui Mbatia <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia>* ** Yes, quite. Great protest on the MPs salary. Wasn't there, though. * <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree> 20:46 *Sara Zavaree <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree>* ** oh great. I remember MPs in Kenya earn more then in Germany * <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> 20:47 *Wangui Mbatia <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia>* ** And they want even more money. Ridiculous. * <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree> 20:47 *Sara Zavaree <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree>* ** so there are some issues I'd like to discuss with you * <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> 20:48 *Wangui Mbatia <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia>* ** okay, shoot. * <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree> 20:48 *Sara Zavaree <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree>* ** As you know, we had great difficulties finding sponsors for our project so we came out with the idea to reduce it a bit we would like to invite 4-6 students to germany for summer (august/September) for about 3 weeks the whole thing would be very low budget we would provide for flights/visa/insurance/accomodation and food but we wouldnt be able to provide for pocket money, or hotels or things like that first of all we'd like to know from you if you thing the students could arange with a low budget programme ? * <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> 20:51 *Wangui Mbatia <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia>* ** I had in mind the involvement of bonafide university student leaders, and there was great interest from the elected leaders. * <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree> 20:52 *Sara Zavaree <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree>* ** ok did you make some contacts allready? * <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> 20:53 *Wangui Mbatia <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia>* ** Yes, they would. It would be great if part of the programme would get them in touch with other students. But they would be quite interested. * <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree> 20:53 *Sara Zavaree <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree>* ** definately. * <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> 20:53 *Wangui Mbatia <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia>* ** Yes, I have contact with student leaders from all 17 public universities and 32 private universities. I helped the students set up 2 bodies to bring them together, hopefully jointly they will be able to tackle the rising fees. * <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree> 20:54 *Sara Zavaree <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree>* ** so you think, it will be possible for them to sleep at other peoples houses and not in hotels etc? * <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> 20:54 *Wangui Mbatia <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia>* ** Getting student leaders is not difficult, they are very interested. * <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree> 20:55 *Sara Zavaree <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree>* ** this is very crucial for us, that there expectations twowards the comforts of their stay are not to high... we found a new association just for that project. It's called "Jugend in der Welt" (Youth in the world) As soon as possible we need to get the tickets to start the visa application process * <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> 20:57 *Wangui Mbatia <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia>* ** Yes, why not. It is actually the better way to travel, that is what I prefer. It may be good to organize a speaker's tour if you can, just to give them a little cash to come back home with. Other than that, they should have no trouble at all, assuming that they will live as I usually do. I do not mind living with people at all, in fact, I prefer it. * <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> 20:58 *Wangui Mbatia <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia>* ** It would be good for them, if possible, to visit squats and alternative living cooperatives, primarily because they need to organize similar setups. * <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree> 20:58 *Sara Zavaree <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree>* ** Well this cash thing might be a problem. But we allready planed to collect during the speakers tour for that. * <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> 20:59 *Wangui Mbatia <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia>* ** Ah, I can help them with the visa application process. I have a clue! * <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree> 20:59 *Sara Zavaree <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree>* ** very good. As I remember from Dorothea. We first need to get the tickets, is that right? * <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> 21:00 *Wangui Mbatia <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia>* ** I see. They do not need much money, I expect the trip alone would be enough excitement for most. * <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree> 21:01 *Sara Zavaree <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree>* ** I talked to her. And she said there is a travle agency that keeps the tickets reserved as long as the application process longs. * <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> 21:01 *Wangui Mbatia <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia>* ** No, we need an affidavit from Jugend in der Welt, (the official one) and a letter of invitation. Hopefully with the details of the plan. We need to buy health insurance, and book (not buy) the tickets. * <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree> 21:02 *Sara Zavaree <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree>* ** whats an affidavit * <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> 21:03 *Wangui Mbatia <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia>* ** There is an official document that the organization in Germany needs to get from the government that states that they will support the students. I think it comes from the government, it is a standard one. Most organizations that invite foreigners will know it, but I can also find a copy of one of those sent to me and forward it to you if you need it. * <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree> 21:04 *Sara Zavaree <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree>* ** would be great please forward so when do you think the students wil be able to come? if we assume visa stuff will take about 1-2 month. do you think august/september is possible? * <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> 21:09 *Wangui Mbatia <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia>* ** August September is possible and ideal. The semester here are staggered, and three weeks is not too long. I would need to consult with students themselves, I have just called the chairman of Students of Nairobi University, I will meet him tomorrow. Shall we mix male and female students? * <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> 21:09 *Wangui Mbatia <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia>* ** 3 of each? * <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree> 21:09 *Sara Zavaree <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree>* ** would be perfect I guess we can organize funds for 4 for sure. we thought of inviting 6 just in case some won't get the visas... do you thing this is a good way to go? * <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> 21:15 *Wangui Mbatia <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia>* ** Yes. And it will be easier to get the visas if we involve the universities. They usually support the students, plus the students themselves have access to documents of support. 6 is okay, not too many so we do not get too much stress. Are you thinking of getting them to travel all at the same time? I mean, will they live as a group or will you split them? * <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree> 21:17 *Sara Zavaree <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree>* ** we'd like to have them as a group because of our funding situation, the main place will propably be berlin * <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> 21:17 *Wangui Mbatia <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia>* ** The students, ideally, will not come from one university so it will make an added advantage if the trip also allows them to bond in a way that will give impetus to their activities when they return. * <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree> 21:18 *Sara Zavaree <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree>* ** but we would like to visit some protest camps with them sound great * <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> 21:18 *Wangui Mbatia <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia>* ** Well, I like Berlin well enough. Can we get two students from three different universities? Male and female? And also, training in non violence. * <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree> 21:19 *Sara Zavaree <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree>* ** good. the training will be included anyway. we can have a train the trainer weekend. or something like that. so what would be the next steps to take? can you set up a team and send us their contacts? after that we should try to get that affadavit and take care of insurance. * <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> 21:21 *Wangui Mbatia <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia>* ** yes. I will start with the SONU leader and the KEPUSA students.That can be done within the day tomorrow. There should be formal correspondence between Jugend and the student unions, and maybe even the universities. Just for formality. I will help with the visa process. I shall get you the contacts. * <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree> 21:23 *Sara Zavaree <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree>* ** For now we are not cooperating with any universities. The whole thing is very low profile but we could arrange talks in universities. That would be no problem * <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> 21:24 *Wangui Mbatia <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia>* ** No, no. I meant the universities here. Because that will help in the visa process, to get the confirmation of the student status. But the student leaders can organize that. * <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree> 21:24 *Sara Zavaree <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree>* ** ah ok so how long do you thing it will take to build the team?+ * <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> 21:26 *Wangui Mbatia <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia>* ** By the weekend. I shall meet with SONU chairman tomorrow and with the others. Shall we agree that we have 3 male and 3 female? * <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree> 21:26 *Sara Zavaree <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree>* ** yes so you send us their details, and we start the formal process * <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> 21:27 *Wangui Mbatia <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia>* ** I will leave the students to organize how they decide who comes, but will probably require that whoever they choose already should have a passport so that we do not have to have stress. * <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree> 21:27 *Sara Zavaree <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree>* ** very good * <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> 21:27 *Wangui Mbatia <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia>* ** I will send both email and phone number. * <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree> 21:28 *Sara Zavaree <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree>* ** another thing: what subjects do you think the students could talk about? For the speakers tour * <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> 21:30 *Wangui Mbatia <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia>* ** Ah. Let me ask them about that and get back to you. I have my opinions, but that is largely a result of my interactions with many activists. They could talk about things like cost of education, fair trade, EPAs (which, btw, we are still being forced to sign) * <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree> 21:31 *Sara Zavaree <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree>* ** ok then I wanted to ask you another thing: * <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> 21:32 *Wangui Mbatia <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia>* ** yes * <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree> 21:34 *Sara Zavaree <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree>* ** there are two more sources of fundind we hope to get, and they are in east africa. we thought it would be best when you approach them first there is the Heinrich Böll Stiftung. They have an office in Nairobi. Then again the Rosa Luxenburg Stiftung with an office in Tanzania * <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> 21:35 *Wangui Mbatia <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia>* ** Okay, we can do that. Sounds okay. We can use KENGONET and the students unions, they are all legally recognized. * <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree> 21:35 *Sara Zavaree <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree>* ** would be best here are the contacts: Heinrich Böll Foundation Regional Office East and Horn of Africa Katrin Seidel Forest Road P.O. Box 10799 -- 00100 GPO Nairobi, Kenya Fon: +254-20-26 80 745 +254-20-26 13 997 Fax: +254-752-37 26 76 E-Mail: ke-info(a)ke.boell.org * <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> 21:36 *Wangui Mbatia <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia>* ** Heinrich Boll I know where it is, I participate in their monthly talks on women. * <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree> 21:36 *Sara Zavaree <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree>* ** ah perfect and Rosa Luxenburg Stiftung 47, Ndovu Road Mikocheni B, P.O. Box 105527 Dar es Salaam, Tanzania Telefon: +255 777 903894 * <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> 21:37 *Wangui Mbatia <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia>* ** Tanzania, hmmh. Just trying to figure it out, but there is email. We can also ask the German embassy for direct support. Maybe even GIZ. * <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree> 21:40 *Sara Zavaree <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree>* ** The second one, is politically closer to us, but they refused to support us, because they don't know you yet. They also operate in Kenya. So maybe you could call then and ask for a meeting. I dont't know if it will help, but you can say that you cooperate with "skills for action". They fund us here in germany. * <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree> 21:40 *Sara Zavaree <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree>* ** the embassy and GIZ would also be great. The more funds we get, the more things we will be able to do * <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> 21:40 *Wangui Mbatia <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia>* ** Rosa Luxenburg? Will do. I will ask that they meet us with the students. I think I can organize that. Okay. Let me first get the students on board. Will forward the contacts tomorrow. * <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree> 21:42 *Sara Zavaree <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree>* ** sehr schön. we have our next phone conference on thursday. There we wanted to decide how to proceed. * <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> 21:42 *Wangui Mbatia <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia>* ** Cheers. Thursday it is, then. * <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree> 21:43 *Sara Zavaree <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree>* ** So when the budget issue is more transparent, it's easier for us to continue... allright * <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> 21:43 *Wangui Mbatia <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia>* ** Take care. Bye. * <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree> 21:44 *Sara Zavaree <https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree>* ** So I will call you thursday in the evening to come up with a procedure cheers good night * <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia> 21:44 *Wangui Mbatia <https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia>* ** good night.

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protokoll TK
by banange＠immerda.ch 14 May '13

14 May '13

sodele, hier das protokoll der TK. komm gerade nicht an die dropbox, mein internet ist viel zu langsam. kann das wer von euch hochladen? danke, danke. grüße aus dem Sonnenschein.... von kathy

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