[Actiwisdom] First details about the exchange

Do Jun 13 09:20:00 CEST 2013

mein senf dazu wäre seine wiederholung, deswegen lass ich ihn weg.
@sara: würdest du die telefonate auch übernehmen und dann einen kurzen  
eindruck über die liste schicken?

grüße aus der sonne,
kathy

Zitat von Sara Zavaree <sarazava at gmx.net>:

> Hey,
>
> Ich seh das ähnlich wie ihr, die sollten uns Namen schicken, und sie  
> haben's gemacht. Wegen dem alter habe ich auch bedenken,  
> andererseits sind StudentInnen nun mal eher jung, und vllt können  
> sich ältere mit kids etc die zeit nicht freischaufeln?
>
> Die Frage ist, wie wir jetzt weitermachen. Wir müssen ja Flüge  
> buchen, Versicherung und bürgschaft klar machen. Wangui schrieb ja  
> von einer "offiziellen" Kommunikation zwischen den teilnehmenden und  
> Jugend in der Welt.
>
> Am besten wäre es direkt nach Flügen zu suchen und schon mal ein  
> schreiben von Jugend in der Welt aufzusetzen. Vllt fragen wir  
> Dorothea, ob sie beim formulieren hilft?
>
> Mein persönliche Wunsch wäre mit jedem einzelnen mal kurz über  
> telefon oder Chat gesprochen zu haben, um mal zu schauen wie  
> verbindlich die Teilnahme ist. ( bei kinuthia hab ich zb das Gefühl  
> das er extrem motiviert ist).
>
> Soweit, s.
>
> Sara Zavaree
>
> Bonnerstr. 13
> 50677 Köln
>
> 0221-16820569
> 015776813912
>
> Am 13.06.2013 um 01:25 schrieb Hanna Poddig <hanna at nirgendwo.info>:
>
>> Hey,
>>
>> Ich bin etwas unsicher, ob ich in meinem Kopf blöde  
>> Altersdiskriminierung mit mir herumtrage oder meine Gedanken  
>> berechtigt sind oder möglicherweise eine Mischung... Naja, ich  
>> schreib die Mail jetzt einfach um euch an dem in meinem Kopf  
>> teilhaben zu lassen.
>>
>> Die Leute sind alle zwischen 20 und 25. Mir erscheint das sehr jung  
>> (zugegeben, ich werde alt). Ich finde das nicht schlimm, aber ich  
>> glaube das es Begegnung auf Augenhöhe erschweren könnte. Bei der 93  
>> geborenen Person würde mich daher auch besonders interessieren,  
>> welche Erfahrungen sie hat. Und wie gesagt: Ich bin mir bewusst,  
>> dass das möglicherweise unfair von mir ist, da so skeptisch zu sein.
>>
>> Ansonsten würd ich auch einfach sagen "passt schon", weil ich ja  
>> eigentlich nix über die Leute weiß.
>>
>> Liebe Grüße,
>> Hanna
>>
>> PS: Pay könnte sich vorstellen zum Teil dabei zu sein, will abe an  
>> den Wochenenden auf jeden Fall zuhause sein, könnte also immer nur  
>> werktags und würde dann halt hin- und hertrampen, hätte aber Lust  
>> drauf
>>
>>
>>
>> Am Donnerstag, 13. Juni 2013, 00:16:07 schrieb Ju He:
>> > ja, ich weiss jetzt auch nicht so recht was davon halten... aber also auf
>> > casting-auswahl-gedöns hab ich auf jeden fall gar kein bock! also von dem
>> > her find ich. die namen sagen mir jetzt spontan nix. was wir glaub ich mal
>> > als "bedingung hatten war zwei weiblich und zwei männlich sozialisierte
>> > menschen einzuladen. an dem würd ich gerne festhalten. ansonsten seh ich
>> > nicht wie wir da jetzt von hier aus das beurteilen wollen.
>> >
>> > grüssle
>> >
>> > Am 13.06.2013 um 00:09 schrieb barbara at derknut.org:
>> > > ich verstehe nicht, was wir entscheiden sollen. Es gibt 4 Namen und das
>> > > wollten wir doch. Wangui schreibt, dass sie quasi nur den ersten
>> > > Studenten ausgesucht hat und alles weitere in dessen Hände gelegt hat,
>> > > davon können wir halten was wir wollen, wir werdens nicht ändern.
>> > > Interessieren würde mich noch, ob die jetzt alle von einer Uni sind oder
>> > > von verschiedenen, aber eigentlich ist das auch egal.
>> > >
>> > > Soweit meine schnelle Meinung. Barbara
>> > >
>> > > Am 12.06.2013 20:43, schrieb Sara Zavaree:
>> > >> Hello again,
>> > >>
>> > >> Thanks for the quick Response and the List. It's great that Things are
>> > >> moving forward! Very happy about that. Could you ask the participants
>> > >> to write each an email answering the following questions?
>> > >>
>> > >> 1. Personal backround
>> > >> 2. Political Background, i.e. Positions, experience in activism,
>> > >> Projekts that have been accomplished and so on 3. Motivation to
>> > >> participate in the Exchange project
>> > >> 4. Phone Number
>> > >> 5. Passport available?
>> > >>
>> > >> Send my greetings ti the team
>> > >> Cheers!
>> > >>
>> > >> Sara Zavaree
>> > >>
>> > >> Bonnerstr. 13
>> > >> 50677 Köln
>> > >>
>> > >> 0221-16820569
>> > >> 015776813912
>> > >>
>> > >> Am 12.06.2013 um 18:47 schrieb Zack <kinzak.kinuthia at gmail.com>:
>> > >>> 1.Zacharia Kinuthia Mugure
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Date of birth:10/7/1988
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Sex:Male
>> > >>>
>> > >>> District of birth:Maragua
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Place of Issue:Kigumo
>> > >>>
>> > >>> 2.Mercy Nyaguthii Maina
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Date of birth:18/7/1993
>> > >>>
>> > >>> District of birth:Nyeri
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Division of birth:Mathira
>> > >>>
>> > >>> 3.Halake Guyo Rendilicha
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Date of birth:00/00/1989
>> > >>> District of birth:Moyale
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Place of issue:Central
>> > >>>
>> > >>> 4.Anzai Grace Kiti
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Date of birth:14/2/1989
>> > >>> District of birth:Mombasa
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Passport number:A1932871
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Exp date:02/10/2022.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> The civil society activism in Kenya have gone done recently due to
>> > >>> expansive democratic space as well as the student activism.The state
>> > >>> is mildly resistant on the activists courtesy of the ruthless human
>> > >>> rights body....the media is the most indepedent in Africa having gone
>> > >>> through a very remorseful epoch in history recently......i hope we
>> > >>> will continue talking more over this matters.....cheers n good evening
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Sent from my LG Mobile
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Sara Zavaree <sarazava at gmx.net> wrote:
>> > >>>> Hi Kinuthia,
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> sorry that I didn't pick up the phone yesterday, but the team didn't
>> > >>>> meet yesterday, as initially planed, so there were no ne information
>> > >>>> to share.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Let me answer some of your questions:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> the costs on flight, accomodation and food will be all on us. What we
>> > >>>> mean with low budget, is not to expect to much luxery ;)
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> The programme so far is mostly concentrated on political activism of
>> > >>>> the radical left in germany. But as soon the the team is complete and
>> > >>>> the visa stuff is on its way we'll send you a detailed programme, so
>> > >>>> that we also can include events and meetings that are of interest for
>> > >>>> you.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> We would be very interested to hear about the following things from
>> > >>>> you: - political activism and development of civil society in kenya -
>> > >>>> means of protest and resistance
>> > >>>> - student movement
>> > >>>> - independent media
>> > >>>> - ...
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> of course we don't expect you to have a ready presentation on all
>> > >>>> topics ;) We can talk about this more later.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> But most important of all: have you heard from Wangui recently? Could
>> > >>>> you contact her as well. We really really need the names and dates of
>> > >>>> the participants, otherwise we won't get the visas in time.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Have you allready applied for your passport? You should do that
>> > >>>> imidiatly and maybe also inquire how long it might take, and  
>> if it ist
>> > >>>> possible to get a provisional one.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> So long, hope to hear from you soon,
>> > >>>> Sara
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Am 10.06.2013 11:21, schrieb barbara at derknut.org:
>> > >>>>> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
>> > >>>>> Betreff: Re: First details about the exchange
>> > >>>>> Datum: Sun, 09 Jun 2013 19:32:04 +0300
>> > >>>>> Von: Zack <kinzak.kinuthia at gmail.com>
>> > >>>>> An: barbara at derknut.org
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Greetings Sara Hanna Johanna Kathy Jannik and Sara,i have read
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> the details n here are the reactions:
>> > >>>>>> what exactly do u expect wen u say workshops n presentations from
>> > >>>>>> the Kenyan activists? We would also like to get some exposure about
>> > >>>>>> Germans' social,religious and cultural orientations. About sharing
>> > >>>>>> one room,relax we are comfortable.
>> > >>>>>> Wil we meet the low cost of food or is it on u?
>> > >>>>>> Dont trouble yourselves on pocket money,we wil be fine because we
>> > >>>>>> want to to learn more instead. Who wil meet the cost of flight?
>> > >>>>>> We would also like to share the political system n the growth of
>> > >>>>>> democracy in Kenya as well as the religious,cultural and social
>> > >>>>>> background in Kenya.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>> I hope i have communicated as required n that u wil get more than u
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> need from this e mail.Cheers Sara and team
>> > >>>>> Sent from my LG Mobile
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> barbara at derknut.org wrote:
>> > >>>>>> Dear Kinuthia,
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> was great to finally get in touch with you. Here is the promised
>> > >>>>>> Mail. First we'd like to present you the content of the project and
>> > >>>>>> then we wish to discuss our divergent expectations towards the
>> > >>>>>> organisational frame
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> content:
>> > >>>>>> objective: exchange of activists from kenya and germany.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> -introduction to the political situation and institutions in
>> > >>>>>> germany, parlamentary and civil society
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> -meeting with diverse forms of political activism, e.g.
>> > >>>>>> indepent media
>> > >>>>>> student movement
>> > >>>>>> violence and judical repression against activsts and resistance to
>> > >>>>>> that anti-nuclear-energy movement
>> > >>>>>> protest against coal mining
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> -workshops on different forms of skills for political actions, e.g.
>> > >>>>>> communication and consenus
>> > >>>>>> various forms of demonstrations
>> > >>>>>> blockades (sitting blockades, material blockades...)
>> > >>>>>> affinity groups
>> > >>>>>> basic first aid for demonstrations
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> -workshops and presentations from the kenyan activists
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Do you have any questions on that? Is there any more  
>> content you are
>> > >>>>>> interested in or any more workshops that you would like to attend?
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> organisational frame:
>> > >>>>>> we've been meeting some difficulties in getting the funds that are
>> > >>>>>> sufficiant for such a project. But never the less we are very
>> > >>>>>> motivated and we think it is very important to have such an
>> > >>>>>> exchange so we came up with the idea to lower our expectians and
>> > >>>>>> have a low budget plan. In detail this means the following things:
>> > >>>>>> the team will sleep in one room, but with space enough for
>> > >>>>>> everyone. We will try to keep the costs for food as low as possible
>> > >>>>>> and our main base will be Berlin with vistit in one or two other
>> > >>>>>> places, so there will be no tour. Probably we won't be able to
>> > >>>>>> provide you with pocket money. Might there be any problems occuring
>> > >>>>>> from this situation?
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Please write a few lines on you're general expectations towards the
>> > >>>>>> project. In addition to that we would like to know roughly  
>> what kind
>> > >>>>>> of topics you coul give presentations or what kind of experiences
>> > >>>>>> from Kenya would you like to share with us.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> By the way, it will be an interesting time for you to come, because
>> > >>>>>> in September there is the general election in germany.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Cheers,
>> > >>>>>> Barbara, Hanna, Johanna, Kathy, Jannik and Sara
>> > >>>>>
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