Hi,
wie immer, wenn ich mit Wangui kommuniziere ist die gesamte Motivation wieder da. Auch wenn chatten ganz schön doof ist...
Also sie sagt, mit kleinem Budget gehts auch. Für die Studenten wäre es schon so aufregend genug hier hin zu kommen. Sie will ein gemischtes Team 3m/3f aus drei verschiedenen Universitäten zusammen stellen. Die trifft sich morgen mit einem der der Leader und schickt uns dann Kontaktadressen. Für das Fromale brauchen wir einen "affadavit". Das ist eine formale, von der deutschen Botschaft abgesegnete Einladung von Jugend in der Welt. Zusammen mit reservierten Tickets und Versicherung können dann die Visa beantragt werden.
Versicherung haben wir in unserem Low Budget Plan leider noch nicht drin, aber ohne gehts auf keinen. Darüber müssten wir nochmal sprechen. Dorothea hatte angedeutet, dass das eventuell über Attac gehen könnte. Die Bedenken dazu wurden von mehreren ja bereits geäussert, aber vielleicht wäre das eine Option, die übernommen zu bekommen. Ausserdem hatte sie ein Reisebüro an der Hand (Barbara, Jannik erinnert ihr euch an den Namen?), das freundlicherweise die Tickets so lange reserviert lässt, bis die Visa-Geschichte geklärt ist.
Der Transparenz halber hab ich euch mal den Chat reinkopiert.
So, schönen Abend euch noch, Sara
* Today * https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree 20:44 *Sara Zavaree https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree* **
Hi Wangui, are you online?
* https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia 20:45 *Wangui Mbatia https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia* **
yes.
* https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree 20:45 *Sara Zavaree https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree* **
great
hope ur fine
* https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia 20:45 *Wangui Mbatia https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia* **
I am at home and I am online. How are you?
* https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree 20:45 *Sara Zavaree https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree* **
very good
long day..
* https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia 20:46 *Wangui Mbatia https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia* **
Yes, quite.
Great protest on the MPs salary. Wasn't there, though.
* https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree 20:46 *Sara Zavaree https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree* **
oh great.
I remember MPs in Kenya earn more then in Germany
* https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia 20:47 *Wangui Mbatia https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia* **
And they want even more money. Ridiculous.
* https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree 20:47 *Sara Zavaree https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree* **
so there are some issues I'd like to discuss with you
* https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia 20:48 *Wangui Mbatia https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia* **
okay, shoot.
* https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree 20:48 *Sara Zavaree https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree* **
As you know, we had great difficulties finding sponsors for our project
so we came out with the idea to reduce it a bit
we would like to invite 4-6 students to germany for summer (august/September) for about 3 weeks
the whole thing would be very low budget
we would provide for flights/visa/insurance/accomodation and food
but we wouldnt be able to provide for pocket money, or hotels or things like that
first of all we'd like to know from you if you thing the students could arange with a low budget programme
?
* https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia 20:51 *Wangui Mbatia https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia* **
I had in mind the involvement of bonafide university student leaders, and there was great interest from the elected leaders.
* https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree 20:52 *Sara Zavaree https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree* **
ok
did you make some contacts allready?
* https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia 20:53 *Wangui Mbatia https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia* **
Yes, they would. It would be great if part of the programme would get them in touch with other students. But they would be quite interested.
* https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree 20:53 *Sara Zavaree https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree* **
definately.
* https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia 20:53 *Wangui Mbatia https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia* **
Yes, I have contact with student leaders from all 17 public universities and 32 private universities.
I helped the students set up 2 bodies to bring them together, hopefully jointly they will be able to tackle the rising fees.
* https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree 20:54 *Sara Zavaree https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree* **
so you think, it will be possible for them to sleep at other peoples houses and not in hotels etc?
* https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia 20:54 *Wangui Mbatia https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia* **
Getting student leaders is not difficult, they are very interested.
* https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree 20:55 *Sara Zavaree https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree* **
this is very crucial for us, that there expectations twowards the comforts of their stay are not to high...
we found a new association just for that project. It's called "Jugend in der Welt" (Youth in the world)
As soon as possible we need to get the tickets to start the visa application process
* https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia 20:57 *Wangui Mbatia https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia* **
Yes, why not. It is actually the better way to travel, that is what I prefer. It may be good to organize a speaker's tour if you can, just to give them a little cash to come back home with. Other than that, they should have no trouble at all, assuming that they will live as I usually do. I do not mind living with people at all, in fact, I prefer it.
* https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia 20:58 *Wangui Mbatia https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia* **
It would be good for them, if possible, to visit squats and alternative living cooperatives, primarily because they need to organize similar setups.
* https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree 20:58 *Sara Zavaree https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree* **
Well this cash thing might be a problem. But we allready planed to collect during the speakers tour for that.
* https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia 20:59 *Wangui Mbatia https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia* **
Ah, I can help them with the visa application process. I have a clue!
* https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree 20:59 *Sara Zavaree https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree* **
very good.
As I remember from Dorothea. We first need to get the tickets, is that right?
* https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia 21:00 *Wangui Mbatia https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia* **
I see. They do not need much money, I expect the trip alone would be enough excitement for most.
* https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree 21:01 *Sara Zavaree https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree* **
I talked to her. And she said there is a travle agency that keeps the tickets reserved as long as the application process longs.
* https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia 21:01 *Wangui Mbatia https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia* **
No, we need an affidavit from Jugend in der Welt, (the official one) and a letter of invitation. Hopefully with the details of the plan.
We need to buy health insurance, and book (not buy) the tickets.
* https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree 21:02 *Sara Zavaree https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree* **
whats an affidavit
* https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia 21:03 *Wangui Mbatia https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia* **
There is an official document that the organization in Germany needs to get from the government that states that they will support the students. I think it comes from the government, it is a standard one. Most organizations that invite foreigners will know it, but I can also find a copy of one of those sent to me and forward it to you if you need it.
* https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree 21:04 *Sara Zavaree https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree* **
would be great
please forward
so when do you think the students wil be able to come? if we assume visa stuff will take about 1-2 month. do you think august/september is possible?
* https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia 21:09 *Wangui Mbatia https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia* **
August September is possible and ideal. The semester here are staggered, and three weeks is not too long. I would need to consult with students themselves, I have just called the chairman of Students of Nairobi University, I will meet him tomorrow. Shall we mix male and female students?
* https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia 21:09 *Wangui Mbatia https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia* **
3 of each?
* https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree 21:09 *Sara Zavaree https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree* **
would be perfect I guess
we can organize funds for 4 for sure. we thought of inviting 6 just in case some won't get the visas... do you thing this is a good way to go?
* https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia 21:15 *Wangui Mbatia https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia* **
Yes. And it will be easier to get the visas if we involve the universities. They usually support the students, plus the students themselves have access to documents of support.
6 is okay, not too many so we do not get too much stress. Are you thinking of getting them to travel all at the same time?
I mean, will they live as a group or will you split them?
* https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree 21:17 *Sara Zavaree https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree* **
we'd like to have them as a group
because of our funding situation, the main place will propably be berlin
* https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia 21:17 *Wangui Mbatia https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia* **
The students, ideally, will not come from one university so it will make an added advantage if the trip also allows them to bond in a way that will give impetus to their activities when they return.
* https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree 21:18 *Sara Zavaree https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree* **
but we would like to visit some protest camps with them
sound great
* https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia 21:18 *Wangui Mbatia https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia* **
Well, I like Berlin well enough. Can we get two students from three different universities? Male and female?
And also, training in non violence.
* https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree 21:19 *Sara Zavaree https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree* **
good. the training will be included anyway. we can have a train the trainer weekend. or something like that. so what would be the next steps to take?
can you set up a team and send us their contacts?
after that we should try to get that affadavit and take care of insurance.
* https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia 21:21 *Wangui Mbatia https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia* **
yes. I will start with the SONU leader and the KEPUSA students.That can be done within the day tomorrow.
There should be formal correspondence between Jugend and the student unions, and maybe even the universities. Just for formality.
I will help with the visa process. I shall get you the contacts.
* https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree 21:23 *Sara Zavaree https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree* **
For now we are not cooperating with any universities. The whole thing is very low profile
but we could arrange talks in universities. That would be no problem
* https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia 21:24 *Wangui Mbatia https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia* **
No, no. I meant the universities here. Because that will help in the visa process, to get the confirmation of the student status. But the student leaders can organize that.
* https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree 21:24 *Sara Zavaree https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree* **
ah ok
so how long do you thing it will take to build the team?+
* https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia 21:26 *Wangui Mbatia https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia* **
By the weekend. I shall meet with SONU chairman tomorrow and with the others. Shall we agree that we have 3 male and 3 female?
* https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree 21:26 *Sara Zavaree https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree* **
yes
so you send us their details, and we start the formal process
* https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia 21:27 *Wangui Mbatia https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia* **
I will leave the students to organize how they decide who comes, but will probably require that whoever they choose already should have a passport so that we do not have to have stress.
* https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree 21:27 *Sara Zavaree https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree* **
very good
* https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia 21:27 *Wangui Mbatia https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia* **
I will send both email and phone number.
* https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree 21:28 *Sara Zavaree https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree* **
another thing: what subjects do you think the students could talk about? For the speakers tour
* https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia 21:30 *Wangui Mbatia https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia* **
Ah. Let me ask them about that and get back to you. I have my opinions, but that is largely a result of my interactions with many activists. They could talk about things like cost of education, fair trade, EPAs (which, btw, we are still being forced to sign)
* https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree 21:31 *Sara Zavaree https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree* **
ok
then I wanted to ask you another thing:
* https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia 21:32 *Wangui Mbatia https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia* **
yes
* https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree 21:34 *Sara Zavaree https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree* **
there are two more sources of fundind we hope to get, and they are in east africa. we thought it would be best when you approach them
first there is the Heinrich Böll Stiftung. They have an office in Nairobi. Then again the Rosa Luxenburg Stiftung with an office in Tanzania
* https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia 21:35 *Wangui Mbatia https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia* **
Okay, we can do that. Sounds okay. We can use KENGONET and the students unions, they are all legally recognized.
* https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree 21:35 *Sara Zavaree https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree* **
would be best
here are the contacts:
Heinrich Böll Foundation Regional Office East and Horn of Africa Katrin Seidel Forest Road P.O. Box 10799 -- 00100 GPO Nairobi, Kenya
Fon: +254-20-26 80 745 +254-20-26 13 997 Fax: +254-752-37 26 76 E-Mail: ke-info@ke.boell.org
* https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia 21:36 *Wangui Mbatia https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia* **
Heinrich Boll I know where it is, I participate in their monthly talks on women.
* https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree 21:36 *Sara Zavaree https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree* **
ah perfect
and Rosa Luxenburg Stiftung
47, Ndovu Road Mikocheni B, P.O. Box 105527 Dar es Salaam, Tanzania
Telefon: +255 777 903894
* https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia 21:37 *Wangui Mbatia https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia* **
Tanzania, hmmh. Just trying to figure it out, but there is email. We can also ask the German embassy for direct support. Maybe even GIZ.
* https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree 21:40 *Sara Zavaree https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree* **
The second one, is politically closer to us, but they refused to support us, because they don't know you yet. They also operate in Kenya. So maybe you could call then and ask for a meeting. I dont't know if it will help, but you can say that you cooperate with "skills for action". They fund us here in germany.
* https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree 21:40 *Sara Zavaree https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree* **
the embassy and GIZ would also be great. The more funds we get, the more things we will be able to do
* https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia 21:40 *Wangui Mbatia https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia* **
Rosa Luxenburg? Will do. I will ask that they meet us with the students. I think I can organize that.
Okay. Let me first get the students on board. Will forward the contacts tomorrow.
* https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree 21:42 *Sara Zavaree https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree* **
sehr schön. we have our next phone conference on thursday. There we wanted to decide how to proceed.
* https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia 21:42 *Wangui Mbatia https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia* **
Cheers. Thursday it is, then.
* https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree 21:43 *Sara Zavaree https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree* **
So when the budget issue is more transparent, it's easier for us to continue...
allright
* https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia 21:43 *Wangui Mbatia https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia* **
Take care. Bye.
* https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree 21:44 *Sara Zavaree https://www.facebook.com/sara.zavaree* **
So I will call you thursday in the evening to come up with a procedure
cheers
good night
* https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia 21:44 *Wangui Mbatia https://www.facebook.com/wangui.mbatia* **
good night.
